Angel pilot uniform
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As some of you might recall, the last picture I had posted on the previous forum was in black and white - taken from the last Fanderson magazine, where it was used to illustrate publicity for the Margetts investment deal.
This new picture, in full colour, was illustrating the back of the Margetts' Marketing Brochure. It does show that, contrary to earlier believe, the cleavage isn't that low. Or did the artists change it along the way? Still the same problem for removing the suit to - say - go to the bathroom, as Doc Brown has so wisely pointed out in previous chats... But I personally think the design looks rather good.
I'm at odd on this pilot identity, though. I would think it's Destiny. Long straight, blond hair. Probably not Symphony? Or maybe it is someone else entirely?
Feel free to share your thoughts, please! We'd like to know your reactions!
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chrisbishop
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Perhaps our howls of derision and concern for the health and safety aspects of the original uniform reached the ears of those concerned? Anyway, I am sure the Angels will be relieved to know I have stopped knitting the woolly mufflers I was going to send them... Now it only remains for someone to consider the more basic needs...
As to who it is.... well, it doesn't look like any of them to me... the choice is between the blondes and Destiny is the one with long hair.... (I still think it looks like the woman who used to be in 'Not the Nine O'Clock News' - Pamela something... who married Billy Connolly...)
Marion W
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Marion W
Have been wanting to make this observation since the old forum:
Even in the toned-down colorized verion of this particular uniform and occupant, are we absolutely sure that the primary target audience is 4 to 8 year olds? (Yes, I recall, males of all ages, but they were an afterthought or an add-on weren't they?)
Just something to think about.
Doc Denim
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DocDenim
Whatever the stated primary target audience I suspect most of the people making the CGI series would come under the heading 'males of all ages' - and, just like everyone, I'm sure they are looking for job satisfaction in their work.
I remember someone saying that the new Angel owed a lot to Lara Croft - and I bet even 4-8 year olds are familiar with her... proportions. It seems to be a element of the Sci-Fi genre too... hunky heroes and voluptuous heroines. We may just have to live with it.... after all - we're not the ones the makers are out to impress.
Marion W
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Marion W
Thanks ! Glad to be back!
But this 4 to 8 year old thing is really bothing me, because the more I think about it, the more I become terrified of the target age bracket and how that might effect the final on-air product:
Isn't Captain Scarlet just a tad too sophisticated for small children? I mean, it's held Our Collective Attention for decades. I am talking about the concepts, not just the eye-candy - which seems to me to be quite at odds with the expected primary audience. And CS rather lends itself to violence, too. I'm finding it worrisome when I think about just how far down they may have to water it just to make it comprehensible at a 4 year old level. ("Infantile" is a word Doc B mentioned in reference to another series in another piece of correspondence. I hope it won't be applicable to the new series. "Juvenile", may be acceptable - 9 to 12 year olds know more than I ever did at that same age....)
Is anybody else starting to feel as nervous as I am?
Doc Denim (with furrowed brow....)
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DocDenim
So to reassure you, in my point of view: it DOESN'T look at all infantile. I'm not sure about that audience bracket - but it doesn't look like it will apply to 4 years old viewers.
Maybe a mistake slipped itself into the publicity info that reported the audience targets, after all? Or is it that the producers are expecting to attract a larger a number of viewers as possible, by spreading that information?
I have to remind myself that I am left off of the target audience - and I know for a fact that A LOT of other fans - are out of any of those brackets announced by the producers... And after viewing that teaser, I have every hopes that, indeed, I might enjoy this new show.
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They may only be watching it for the machinery, (and the violence - which seems endemic in kids cartoons these days) they may have no interest in the characters or the concepts behind the storylines, but you can bet - if its the latest craze - they will want the toys!
The basic premise of Spectrum and the Mysterons is a sophisticated one - but pared down to the bone it is still good versus evil. The fact that it is complex enough to retain the interest of its fans into adult-hood maybe due to the fact that it lends itself to so many possibilities. We complain that we were not given all the information about the Mysterons and Spectrum and the characters, but maybe the real genius in Captain Scarlet was keeping it so simple?
That very absence of hard fact allows us to speculate, to develop our own theories, broaden the characters and their back-grounds, invent relationships and project their futures.... all good fun!
Of course, the fact that the leading characters (male and female) are attractive, intelligent and brave, is a mere incidental...
Marion W
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Marion W
Something I’ve found very interesting indeed is just how much difference there is in the level of maturity assumed in the audience between the puppet series and the corresponding comic strips (which obviously were being bought by the same children). I get the impression that the gap was narrowing between 1962 and 1968: whereas the Scarlet TV show was pretty much on a par with its cartoon counterpart, Fireball XL5 and Stingray were a good ten years behind, with Thunderbirds somewhere in the middle. A good practical illustration that children – and adults for that matter - are perfectly capable of thinking on several levels of reality simultaneously, it seems to me. George Orwell called it Doublethink – I reckon Multithink would be a better description.
Who is this mysterious female pilot? Pamela Stephenson is the name Marion was after (though I originally wrote Pamela Anderson – and I’ve no doubt that slip was Freudian in origin!) But then, does it have to be any of them? Wasn’t there some talk of increasing the number of Angels? Or was that just a little piece of misinformation put about to keep us gossip-mongers talking about the new series?
Ah, it’s good to be back!
[BTW - while this forum’s been off the air, so to speak, I’ve assembled a little tribute of my own to the series on a website which can be accessed by clicking here, in which I’ve taken a tongue-in-cheek look at how the original comic-strip characters might have reacted to the new uniform (something I started just before the old forum was attacked by the Mysterons). Whether I’ll manage to complete it I’ve no idea, but I’ll try. Please do drop in, everyone – I hope it’ll make you smile, though if I’m infringing copyright and someone complains, I may have to remove it.]
DocBrown
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DocBrown
Yes - Pamela Stephenson - that's the lady. I am ashamed to say I could only think of Pamela Anderson too, but I knew that was wrong .
How nice it is to have the forum back.....
Marion W
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Marion W
Firstly, I have to commend Doc B on his smashing Internet fashion supplement. Nice to see it again..thought it was lost on the last forum. You are one clever, talented guy..and did I mention I was green with envy??
This uniform has certainly got everyone's pens going..maybe that was the intention of the brochure..oh cynical me. I have to agree with Marion though, and I'm most definitely cycnical here..merchandising IS the thing, and that age group is the most likely TO BUY as far as the new fan base is concerned.
I noticed a couple of things re: the colour version vs B&W one..what's with the gold bits..and why is her gun missing? Also could those interesting knee pads be useful for butting those captains to make some more coffee?
Carrie Captain Azure
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Carrie Captain Azure
Raising a glass to you!
Hazel K
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Hazel K
On the subject of merchandising, I'll guess that we won't be seeing any play costumes for children based on the uniform - they'd look about as ridiculous as Tobey Maguire did in that red balaclava helmet and woolly jersey in the wrestling match before donning the "real" Spiderman costume in the film of the same name. Actually, something I was wondering when walking round a computer games shop last weekend was whether we'll be seeing a set of Captain Scarlet characters turning up in The Sims. I'm reliably informed by my daughter that there's a downloadable Darth Vader armed with lightsabre plus a set of imperial stormtroopers to keep him company for that game, so why not a complete set of Spectrum personnel, plus Mysteron rings and assorted vehicles that move on their own? The more I think about it, the more fun the idea becomes!
DocBrown
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DocBrown
Only a quick observation (again! am short on time as always) but I just have to say this about Gerry Anderson and his conceptual cleverness:
I can't wholly disagree that CS pared down certainly appears to be a good vs. evil sort of thing, but I always thought (after due consideration) that it was pretty much the opposite, and that the line between good and evil was quite a blurred and mercurial thing, because, of course, the Mysterons didn't start the War in the original series - I'm interested now to find out if that 'bit' will remain the case in the upcoming version or if more than just the uniforms. Cloudbase and Lt. Green will be changed. (I really hope thy're not sending Scarlet to Mars.)
Just another thought or two!
Doc Denim
PS - I'm going to have to watch it again, but Mysteron behaviour in Heart of New York could provide a bit of fodder for this one. Ciao!
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DocDenim
I feel that the good versus evil thing is right at the centre of Scarlet’s continuing popularity, because it IS such a blurred and mercurial thing. Any conflict will bring forth three quite distinct points of view about either of the combatants: us (good), them (bad), and the resigned observation that one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist from anyone not directly involved in the conflict. However, anyone with a direct interest in that conflict who expresses the third neutral view is risking the most severe ostracism by expressing it, and anyone who tries to contradict either of the first two views under such circumstances is liable to be shot as a traitor.
I’ll be interested to see whether the current political climate – in which we consider ourselves to be at war with another ruthless, faceless foe of unknown and unspecified capabilities – affects the ability and/or willingness of the show to address the good versus evil question. I shall be disappointed if it doesn’t, but I don’t think I’d be too surprised: the world is not the same as it was then.
DocBrown
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