What will be the collectables from New Captain Scarlet?
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There were heads on display from NCS that I assume were scanned in as part of the CGI process...they were nice. And then there was the pre-production art works which were awesome. But that's it really, everything else exists as bits and bytes on a hard disk somewhere, there's nothing physical for collectors to get their hands on.
So my question is what do people think will be the 'must have' collectable from NCS?
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I ve seen the playsets and the figures and that,but they did nt do it for me in the way that Product Enterprise models of the other old series had me reaching for my wallet like a gunfighter!
I ll get the DVD set and i think that ll do me,to be honest.
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Also I hope some one will bring out some model kits from the series. If anyone does it it'll most probably be the Japanese. I wrote to Airfix a couple of years ago asking if they planned to ever release their old Angel interceptor kit. Answer - No.
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Thank you for your email. Unfortunately these models have been delayed and are now not due for release until late February 2006.
That's fine with me - at least they are in the pipeline.
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Thank you for your email. The New Toy catalogue is out next week with all the new captain scarlet models in. If you could kindly let me have your full postal address I will send a copy to you.
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What is the most valuable/rare NCS piece of merchandise going to be? Let me get my crystal ball out. Abolutely no idea whatsoever. And to be honest, if I did know, I would buy up evry one I could find and not tell anyone else. This is what collectors do. Or should I say scalpers. It artificially pushes the price of an item up.
Why do things like the original Star Wars figures command such a high price when other items do not? Because back in the 1970's, they were bought for or by children to play with. The packets were opened and the figures were played with. The paint became discoloured, the figures damaged and the accessories lost. As a result, it is increasingly rare to find what are known as '12 back' figures mint on card on the secondary marketplace these days.
The reason why collectables do not really fetch such prices these days is that 1)they are generally overproduced and are now seen in discount shops, and 2)scalpers/collectors buy them en mass to try to push the price up which rarely works.
I keep an eye on the secondary collectables market and it is very difficult to predict trends. Prices move up and down at regular intervals. Sites like ebay don't help. They tend to keep prices low. Why buy an item for £50 at a speciality shop when you can get it online for £20? Also, your item is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it.
If you want an idea about collectable prices, I would highly recommend a magazine called Toyfare. Forbidden Planet and most comic/sci-fi stores stock it. It is also a good magazine for seeing what is coming out several months ahead. It is published in America, so it mainly deals with that market, but it does showcase upcoming releases well. Also at:
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazines/toyfare.cfm
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On the other hand, if Bandai was expecting huge sales, produced millions of figures, but only sold a few thousand, then the prices may drop and the toys will be so cheap that the collectable price may never rise much higher than the original shelf price.
Promotional material probably are the most collectable items beyond something directly from production. The large Captain Scarlet standee, any press kits and items like that may be worth the most (depending on how many are made).
As for the original Captain Scarlet, the rarer stuff may include promotional material, the large Action man Captain Scarlet, the Destiny Bendy figure, the Anglo card set and some of those nice Japanese diecast and models. The SPV Dinky is also worth a lot and I beleive that even though they made a lot of these, it is still highly sought after.
Of course, toys and such produced before the 80's were created for kids to play with and nowadays it is harder for items to become collectable beacuse everyone buys multiple copies in order to resell that these things flood the market - just look at the Konamis - most are readily available thanks to EBAY and apart from the rarer ones (Destiny Angel) they really are not worth anything.
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shadokp wrote:For the NCS it is very possible that most everything produced will be rare. I am uncertain of this but from what I have read, most of the toys, the magazines and such are not available in massive quantities. it is possible that smaller amounts of these items were made and ordered by stores, especially later issues of the magazine, for example. If there is no demand to produce more quantities of toys then the total amounts will be small and later down the line, these things will be rare.
On the other hand, if Bandai was expecting huge sales, produced millions of figures, but only sold a few thousand, then the prices may drop and the toys will be so cheap that the collectable price may never rise much higher than the original shelf price.
Promotional material probably are the most collectable items beyond something directly from production. The large Captain Scarlet standee, any press kits and items like that may be worth the most (depending on how many are made).
As for the original Captain Scarlet, the rarer stuff may include promotional material, the large Action man Captain Scarlet, the Destiny Bendy figure, the Anglo card set and some of those nice Japanese diecast and models. The SPV Dinky is also worth a lot and I beleive that even though they made a lot of these, it is still highly sought after.
Of course, toys and such produced before the 80's were created for kids to play with and nowadays it is harder for items to become collectable beacuse everyone buys multiple copies in order to resell that these things flood the market - just look at the Konamis - most are readily available thanks to EBAY and apart from the rarer ones (Destiny Angel) they really are not worth anything.
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Yes, but will the demand be there in 20 years time? The Scarlet toys you mention are worth silly money if they are mint. A loose 1967 Scarlet missing gun is worth very little. Last time I checked, one mint in box was about £750. Again, the Dinky SPV can be had from toy marts loose for between £5 and £15. Depends on the condition. Now if you have the version with the chair that lowers complete with the Scarlet figure and missiles, mint in a good to mint box, that is a different matter. The version in the clear plastic is worth far less. The reason for the high price is that collectors generally want mint in box, or as the current market values things, AFA 90+.
The Konami specials are still in very low numbers in this country. That is why they are still going for a high price. And from what I can tell, they are unlikely to be seen in greater quantities.
Yes, NCS merchandise will be produced in smaller quantities. But that does not necessarily mean higher prices in investment. It will all depend on how enduring a legacy the new series leaves on fandom, and how quickly the memory of the series remains with the casual fan. There could be a rennaisance in ten years time when it gets repeated. That always pushes the price of collectables up as a new audience starts trawling shops and the net for what is available. It is swings and roundabouts with collecting. I have been involved on both sides of it for over twenty years.
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In the case of things never being saved, think about fast-food collectibles. It sometimes seems like everyone and his brother saves the Happy Meal toys. The REALLY rare collectibles, however, are fast food items everyone threw away -- the paper bags, napkins, placemats etc.
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The demand is important and it would depend on how NCS does over the next 20 years. If it vanishes and gains little more in fan numbers, value won't be as high as other toys from let's say, the new Doctor Who.
Good point though, if NCS were to let's say, make it really big in Japan or US in 2006, the demand for the stuff that came out in 2005 would rise significantly. Ain influx of new fans would increase this demand for the short term. Of course, that is big if.
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I also got the KFC Thunderbirds Movie promo poster in 2004. I'm betting this isn't worth as much though...
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Mary wrote:When boxes of action figures, for example, are distributed to stores, there is usually a set assortment of figures in the box, called the "case assortment." In a case of 24 figures there could be eight of the most common figure, six of the next-common, a few duplicates of others, but only one of the rarest. Scalpers know which is the rare one in the assortment and cherry-pick them out of general circulation for resale; sometimes they're even toy store employees doing it on the side, simply buying up the figures with their employee discount!
In the case of things never being saved, think about fast-food collectibles. It sometimes seems like everyone and his brother saves the Happy Meal toys. The REALLY rare collectibles, however, are fast food items everyone threw away -- the paper bags, napkins, placemats etc.
I have actually heard stories of collectables store owners having their relatives work in places like Toys R Us just so that they can get the short-packed items cheap and then mark them up 1000%
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